What’s more important — Numbers or Words?
The Associated Press just released a poll that said 2 in 5 parents think kids need more math in schools to help prepare them for the real world. Half that number thought kids need more English.
As a person who makes a living writing, I realize I’m a little biased. But my first question when I saw this: Are you kidding me, people?
When I need to figure out the interest I’ll pay on a car loan, I can find an online calculator in seconds. My phone has a calculator if I needed to get a quick average of a series of numbers. Everywhere you turn, you can find tools that help you with math.
The internet does not contain tools for helping you write. Sure, you can work with spelling and grammar checkers, but they’re probably 65 percent effective, and they still can’t help you write a good paragraph.
I taught college English for many years. I’d guess at least half of the students I’ve encountered had convinced themselves they were poor writers. Their reticence to write hurt their studies in any class that required writing assignments, which was almost every class, with the exception, perhaps, of math. Even science courses had lab reports to write.
In my classes, my goal was to give the students self confidence about their writing. “When you want to convince your parents that you ought to be allowed to do something,” I’d say. “You organize your thoughts, work out plausible arguments, compose your ideas…. In other words, you write a persuasive essay.”
Ok, so the analogy didn’t hit home with all the students (many had kids of their own, for gosh sakes), but I’d try to find a way to help them understand that they possessed the capability to write well. And then we’d work on giving them an understanding of the guidelines they need once they identify what they want to write. I’d say, “Once you learn all the grammar rules, you’ll have a lot more fun breaking them on purpose.”
I can’t imagine a more critical time for people to know how to write well. With email, we all write regularly. We all read on the internet. Perhaps the worries about the economy prompted parents to rate math over English, or perhaps the parents themselves devalued the study of English because they themselves have not discovered how far the ability to write can take someone.
Whatever the reason for the puzzling responses to that poll, the results make me long to teach English again to give more students the chance to feel good about their ability to read and write.


Kurt on 27 Jun 2008 at 7:33 am #
Unfortunately, opportunities for writing have become so ubiquitous for us all, and the speed at which an article or e-mail must be produced have combined to lower society’s expectations of quality.
One of my favorites, from a Reuters piece, no less, was that a particular protest marked “the one week anniversary” of an event. Gack.
Beth on 27 Jun 2008 at 7:46 am #
Gack indeed, although perhaps another math class plus another English class would have been in order to fix that gaff.
steph on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:54 am #
LOL!!
I agree with your post, B. I don’t think I’ve ever used the math I learned in high school! And I have a calculator, as you say, for everything else, or programs to tabulate stuff. Communication is the most important thing, and if you can’t communicate effectively, it just leaves you and others frustrated. I cannot believe how many people barely have basic English language skills.
People just have this perception that math is of uber importance, but it’s like those other myths touted so strongly, that milk is good for you (in fact, it’s not), and that you must go to school to get a good education to get a good job. That last one can be misconstrued, but what I mean is, getting a good *job* (which may be what their thing with math has to do with) isn’t necessarily the right thing to do. Creating a business, though, that’s another story!
steph on 27 Jun 2008 at 8:54 am #
Hmmm, my comment seems kind of illiterate itself and doesn’t make much sense. Sorry about that. I’m rather tired!
Rebecca Eberle on 27 Jun 2008 at 12:21 pm #
An Argument for Math…by a Grammar Nazi and Word Lover:
To play the devil’s advocate, Beth, I would submit that inherent in forming a strong logical argument is a strong foundation in logic itself. Logic is formed on mathematical principles. As such, I would propose that strong linquistic skills without some foundational math skills could simply serve to make a person verbose.
Beth on 27 Jun 2008 at 1:18 pm #
Ah, and I would argue back that the art of argument is a logical exercise in itself.
But I agree that you need both math and English to get by. I just don’t think math is more important by a margin of 2 to 1.
Bec — thanks for pointing out my typo! You rock.
Ingrid on 29 Jun 2008 at 5:46 am #
Speaking from the point of view from a person who always had better math skills than writing skills, I need to make a few comments.
Beth, did you notice that the statistic (a math thing) caught your notice to make this blog entry? Math can make an impression just as stronly as words.
I also believe that math and writing are equally important for kids to learn. To be better in one than the other, well, than that’s a person’s choice or sometimes how their brains work. How come I was better in math than writing, what drew me to numbers rather than words? What about you, Beth? Why did words appeal to you more than numbers? Mathematicians can claim that numbers in itself is its own language, one needs to just understand and learn. Digitally the computers works in 1′s and 0′s to communicate. Just 2 numbers and a language is made. Astounding.
As for having a calculator or something mechanical in order to figure something out, I would like to believe that a person has the simple mathematical competency and not to have to always rely on a machine. For example, I was at a MacDonald’s one time (in high school) and the cashier gave me too much money back, and when I pointed it out to him, he said, “That’s what the register says to give you back.” I am sure you and others have similar stories, which drives me nuts.
So, you can make fun of me how awful my grammar and english are. Always a pleasure in sharing my thoughts and debating with you.
Berly on 01 Jul 2008 at 11:04 am #
A new business in my small town recently ran an ad inviting customers to “Come into the store and make your jewelry onsight [sic].”
I would be that no one who read the ad said, “I bet the owner/manager is really good at math.”
Berly on 01 Jul 2008 at 11:06 am #
Of course, as I hit submit, I noticed I have a typo. Should read:
I would bet that no one who read the ad said…
Serves me right for pickin’ on someone else’s mistake.
french panic on 15 Jul 2008 at 10:56 am #
Neither one is more important – they are equally important.
Without math, there wouldn’t be music… breaking down and analyzing anything that Bach ever wrote – pure mathematics.
Schools fail at pointing out how math and language will be useful for people in their future lives. Tying in math to music (or art – there is a LOT of math in art), or tying in words to music or poetry other than Shakespearian sonnets….. Schools (and people) pigeonhole students pretty damn early in life “oh, you’re so creative” or “oh, you’re so analytical” – it does so much damage. I’m surrounded by creative types who have spent their lives focussing on their art, then when it comes time to apply for grants or scholarships, they have to hire people to write proposals and do the math for them. Except they don’t have any money to hire those people, so they do it themselves, and inevitably lose out on money.
I recently edited a film proposal for a friend – his production company was going to send out this proposal to investors and it was riddled with mistakes, but they thought it was ‘good enough’. After all, they’re going to make a movie, not write a book, so who cares, right? Sheesh. They thought I was being nit-picky. No, I’m just trying to help you guys look professional and make some money. Big difference.
paul on 22 Mar 2009 at 10:32 pm #
Math have produce the some of greatest minds of the world like Albert Eistein. Math=Great thinkers. Reading=lawers