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		<title>By: How many hats? &#124; Life on Avenue Z</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-6234</link>
		<dc:creator>How many hats? &#124; Life on Avenue Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and submit articles to industry publications. A few weeks ago I wrote a blog entry on organizations&#8217; push to market themselves as green. I submitted it to an international marketing group, and they featured it in their newsletter. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and submit articles to industry publications. A few weeks ago I wrote a blog entry on organizations&#8217; push to market themselves as green. I submitted it to an international marketing group, and they featured it in their newsletter. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jlockley</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>Jlockley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say backlash has already set in. Sociologically, any trend which becomes universal is already in a downswing, and green has been abused both by ideologues and unprincipled marketers. When administrative bodies begin regulating it, it's lost.

A local chef (Local is San Francisco) who is a highly responsible person found his restaurant so embroiled in a bureaucratic red tape battle (72 pages of documentation to become certified and then another 72 pages and a fine when a detail was noticed out of place) that he now loudly advises every restaurant to just do what's right and possible and avoid the "movement".

My years as one of the leaders of the local chapter of the best known sustainability movement brought home to me how much ego, false information and blatant self interest is involved in the organic and green community. 

The fact is, as stated here, that having knowledge of what is right,  you should do it. This was the case before the press pounced on greenity and began pommelling it to death with swooning adjectives and before Gore turned a valid scientific concern into chicken little hysteria. 

Nice piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say backlash has already set in. Sociologically, any trend which becomes universal is already in a downswing, and green has been abused both by ideologues and unprincipled marketers. When administrative bodies begin regulating it, it&#8217;s lost.</p>
<p>A local chef (Local is San Francisco) who is a highly responsible person found his restaurant so embroiled in a bureaucratic red tape battle (72 pages of documentation to become certified and then another 72 pages and a fine when a detail was noticed out of place) that he now loudly advises every restaurant to just do what&#8217;s right and possible and avoid the &#8220;movement&#8221;.</p>
<p>My years as one of the leaders of the local chapter of the best known sustainability movement brought home to me how much ego, false information and blatant self interest is involved in the organic and green community. </p>
<p>The fact is, as stated here, that having knowledge of what is right,  you should do it. This was the case before the press pounced on greenity and began pommelling it to death with swooning adjectives and before Gore turned a valid scientific concern into chicken little hysteria. </p>
<p>Nice piece.</p>
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		<title>By: MissKiss</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4441</link>
		<dc:creator>MissKiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My B&#38;B was state-certified last year as a green lodging property. We are at the bottom of the 'green food chain' in my opinion, based on what I know other inns are doing.

Solar power is out of reach as far as cost goes. Refitting the whole building with 'on demand' hot water is a dream waiting for the lottery to smile on us. We use passive solar in the winter and have quite a few deciduous trees that block the sun in the summer.

Even with the small amount we are able to accomplish: your registration form is printed on the back of whatever letter-size piece of paper is at hand; we grow our own flowers and herbs; we belong to a CSA; we don't hand out bottles of water to guests, we filter the tap water and provide glasses for drinking; we don't have an elaborate, wasteful buffet that ends up in the trash because anything you might have touched can't be reused; no plasticware; limited paper napkins available; no plastic wrap on your drinking glass,

there is still way more that can be done that we just cannot afford. Because, guess what, you CAN'T charge more for green lodging, guests won't pay it unless they see an advantage to staying in a green property over a 'regular' property. 

I do quote our reductions on our website. How many thousands of gallons of water saved, how many kW hours saved, etc. We don't shove it in your face, there is a short list in the guest book of what we are doing and how you can help, I post 'home' tips on our bulletin board so guests can take some ideas away with them, we ask guests for tips they use themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My B&amp;B was state-certified last year as a green lodging property. We are at the bottom of the &#8216;green food chain&#8217; in my opinion, based on what I know other inns are doing.</p>
<p>Solar power is out of reach as far as cost goes. Refitting the whole building with &#8216;on demand&#8217; hot water is a dream waiting for the lottery to smile on us. We use passive solar in the winter and have quite a few deciduous trees that block the sun in the summer.</p>
<p>Even with the small amount we are able to accomplish: your registration form is printed on the back of whatever letter-size piece of paper is at hand; we grow our own flowers and herbs; we belong to a CSA; we don&#8217;t hand out bottles of water to guests, we filter the tap water and provide glasses for drinking; we don&#8217;t have an elaborate, wasteful buffet that ends up in the trash because anything you might have touched can&#8217;t be reused; no plasticware; limited paper napkins available; no plastic wrap on your drinking glass,</p>
<p>there is still way more that can be done that we just cannot afford. Because, guess what, you CAN&#8217;T charge more for green lodging, guests won&#8217;t pay it unless they see an advantage to staying in a green property over a &#8216;regular&#8217; property. </p>
<p>I do quote our reductions on our website. How many thousands of gallons of water saved, how many kW hours saved, etc. We don&#8217;t shove it in your face, there is a short list in the guest book of what we are doing and how you can help, I post &#8216;home&#8217; tips on our bulletin board so guests can take some ideas away with them, we ask guests for tips they use themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4341</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian, sounds like a case of not just greenwashing but greentea washing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian, sounds like a case of not just greenwashing but greentea washing.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonbeam McQueen</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4306</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonbeam McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Beth. I'm impressed that you stood your ground with the dude ranch manager, and your   tips on being ethically green are great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Beth. I&#8217;m impressed that you stood your ground with the dude ranch manager, and your   tips on being ethically green are great.</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4293</link>
		<dc:creator>julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend was works for a green company called Steaz teas. They got organic and fair trade certification and all of their advertising says they are on a mission to do the right thing for the world and people.

It turns out the product is mostly sugar - after water its the top ingredient. My friend works there and wont even drink it or give it to her kids - she said many of the employees who are health conscious wont either because they know it's all sugar with a green marketing spin .  they even added drops of organic acai to their energy  drink so they could list it on the container and ride the rainforest trend and acai health benefits. wake up! acai is purple and the drink isnt.

my friend needs a job, but feels guilty because the drink is marketed as healthy and good for the world and really it's sugar water sold by the healthy beverage company - my advice to her was that people would look at the ingredients and see the truth - let the buyer beware. Bur she just told me something that made me rethink my advice.


 I'm not sure this was the best advice.  they use fair trade green tea, but it is listed so far down on the ingredients label, yet they put the fair trade logo on their bottles. And then, they added vitamin c to their carbonated, sugared beverages to get their sodas approved for schools. 

Because of the certifications, parents think that their kids are drinking a good, organic nutritional product when in reality  they  are consuming organic sugar - 35 grams in a 12 oz bottle. And, the icing on the cake is that the owners drive huge SUV's and are getting rich as kids and parents think that the are drinking a healthy , earth friendly product from a company that cares. 

Let the next generation of diabetics beware. Greenwashing is everywhere and can have dangerous health effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend was works for a green company called Steaz teas. They got organic and fair trade certification and all of their advertising says they are on a mission to do the right thing for the world and people.</p>
<p>It turns out the product is mostly sugar - after water its the top ingredient. My friend works there and wont even drink it or give it to her kids - she said many of the employees who are health conscious wont either because they know it&#8217;s all sugar with a green marketing spin .  they even added drops of organic acai to their energy  drink so they could list it on the container and ride the rainforest trend and acai health benefits. wake up! acai is purple and the drink isnt.</p>
<p>my friend needs a job, but feels guilty because the drink is marketed as healthy and good for the world and really it&#8217;s sugar water sold by the healthy beverage company - my advice to her was that people would look at the ingredients and see the truth - let the buyer beware. Bur she just told me something that made me rethink my advice.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m not sure this was the best advice.  they use fair trade green tea, but it is listed so far down on the ingredients label, yet they put the fair trade logo on their bottles. And then, they added vitamin c to their carbonated, sugared beverages to get their sodas approved for schools. </p>
<p>Because of the certifications, parents think that their kids are drinking a good, organic nutritional product when in reality  they  are consuming organic sugar - 35 grams in a 12 oz bottle. And, the icing on the cake is that the owners drive huge SUV&#8217;s and are getting rich as kids and parents think that the are drinking a healthy , earth friendly product from a company that cares. </p>
<p>Let the next generation of diabetics beware. Greenwashing is everywhere and can have dangerous health effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Varun badhwar</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4268</link>
		<dc:creator>Varun badhwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 06:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no problem in paying a bit extra for the green credentials, and wayne,no offence but its just not, Al gore thats been working for the cause of global warming but its a serious phenomena across the globe that should be addressed immediately so that earth can be a better place to live and efforts like these should be appreciated in every possible way. And, since you mentioned about Penn and teller, well people know what they have been doing. So, No comments.

Cheers,



Varun Badhwar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no problem in paying a bit extra for the green credentials, and wayne,no offence but its just not, Al gore thats been working for the cause of global warming but its a serious phenomena across the globe that should be addressed immediately so that earth can be a better place to live and efforts like these should be appreciated in every possible way. And, since you mentioned about Penn and teller, well people know what they have been doing. So, No comments.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Varun Badhwar</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Glaza</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4218</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Glaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent positive advice, Ms Z - walk the talk. The cynicism and skepticism of some remains a mystery to me and I've come to accept it. Forty years ago, environmental studies was part of academic study and that was about it. The researchers and scientists were pigeon holed into a category - tree huggers. Ecology might well has been a 4 letter word. Scoffing and sneering was in the vogue. At least today, the marketplace has carved a niche to have the conversation. It ain't easy being green (my favorite color) but well worth it. Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent positive advice, Ms Z - walk the talk. The cynicism and skepticism of some remains a mystery to me and I&#8217;ve come to accept it. Forty years ago, environmental studies was part of academic study and that was about it. The researchers and scientists were pigeon holed into a category - tree huggers. Ecology might well has been a 4 letter word. Scoffing and sneering was in the vogue. At least today, the marketplace has carved a niche to have the conversation. It ain&#8217;t easy being green (my favorite color) but well worth it. Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4205</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is similar to when a business will use the description "Christian" in their publicity. I always take that with a grain of salt. One local business, windows and siding, used to advertise heavily on television with that prominent in their ads. I knew someone that was a neighbor of the business owner and they said he was not a nice man. At some point in the past few years the ads disappeared and recently one of the local TV stations investigated claims of fraud and there was that business owner getting bleeped on TV while he pushed the camera out of his office and slammed the door. Evidently he'd been ripping off customers one way or another from the beginning. 
I'm skeptical of claims like that, no matter what they are, unless I can see some evidence of the claim. But that can also be suspect. The business owner I mentioned had customer testimonials in his TV spots, but I found out later they were from friends and family, not from the regular joes out that got a raw deal.
As to the green label, I have to say the Johnson &#38; Johnson commercials have my attention. The ad doesn't say "we're green" but tells us they run one of their manufacturing plants from power created by a landfill? Show me you're green, don't tell me and I'll pay more attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is similar to when a business will use the description &#8220;Christian&#8221; in their publicity. I always take that with a grain of salt. One local business, windows and siding, used to advertise heavily on television with that prominent in their ads. I knew someone that was a neighbor of the business owner and they said he was not a nice man. At some point in the past few years the ads disappeared and recently one of the local TV stations investigated claims of fraud and there was that business owner getting bleeped on TV while he pushed the camera out of his office and slammed the door. Evidently he&#8217;d been ripping off customers one way or another from the beginning.<br />
I&#8217;m skeptical of claims like that, no matter what they are, unless I can see some evidence of the claim. But that can also be suspect. The business owner I mentioned had customer testimonials in his TV spots, but I found out later they were from friends and family, not from the regular joes out that got a raw deal.<br />
As to the green label, I have to say the Johnson &amp; Johnson commercials have my attention. The ad doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;we&#8217;re green&#8221; but tells us they run one of their manufacturing plants from power created by a landfill? Show me you&#8217;re green, don&#8217;t tell me and I&#8217;ll pay more attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlena Corcoran</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeonavenuez.com/2008/05/07/green/#comment-4204</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlena Corcoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd be more impressed by the cards asking us to conserve on laundry if the hotel offered a rebate for reusing towels and bed linens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be more impressed by the cards asking us to conserve on laundry if the hotel offered a rebate for reusing towels and bed linens.</p>
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